For profit and disgustingly greedy for money are two different things; I havent even gotten to the best part yet! Box 1000Church Street, The Bottom,Saba, Dutch Caribbean, *The Massachusettes address is for Saba's administrative offices. St James doesnt even qualify for federal loans. It is really just memorization. I Hi Dr. Wible, Everyone has different experiences about their transition at Caribbean medical schools. You are obviously very smart if you are reading this post. And I too would never recommend my school to a loved one. After she graduated, she came across an online listing for an I.F.C.O. But it has also taught me much. You will not have a clear picture painted for you. get away with. As per Columbia University's "Vaccine-Related Policies and Guidelines", COVID-19 vaccination is mandatory for all affiliates who will be on . The bottom line is that its another legitimate pathway to becoming a legitimate MD. Now that Im in my last semester it seems all worth it. If you decided to come on a forum and reply to someones experience only to dog on them over the length and paragraph structure of the same, do yourself a favor and kindly walk out the door. How can it be a 80% attrition rate then. USMLE 1,2 clinical equivalent. paupers graves. Susan Atchly was a very good friend of mine! I remember an attending once told me that he preferred Caribbean students because he knows how hard we had to work to get to where we are now so that was nice to hear! The American students that apply for this school either 1. were not smart enough to get into a school in the United States or 2. were not working hard enough. I feel that no one who is truly motivated and belongs in the field of medicine can fail if they have such an attitude. YAY!. Thanks Tori. Only a few corpses from paupers graves in Gross Anatomy not cleaned up if you get my drift Im against what they stand for and do not believe in my school. theyd hit you with it. It is no give me, but the path through a Caribbean med-school will get you there if you are willing to work hard. I can not even imagine being able to sleep at night if I ran a medical school with a 40% fail rate. Personally, Im thankful for the experience because, despite the intense, God awful stress I endured. 3 How much does it cost for 7 years of medical school? I did not apply to SGU because I had read about the huge class sizes and Grenada did not sound appealing to me. Extreme measures much? Financially, I did not have resources to finish in 4 years. Phillip said that her biggest challenge since becoming a doctor in the U.S. had been reading CT scans and MRIs, which are used sparingly in Cuba, and that she has had to adjust to spending less time with patients. Their profiles are openly available on sgu.edu, just check them out. Read: >>> Top Ranking Universities in USA Admissions Rolling admissions. If you want a warm and fuzzy feeling and are not used to fighting for what you want, instead of waiting for it, then medical school is not for you 3. I just couldnt. As far as Caribbean medical schools. These are the people needed to close the health-disparities gap. As Peter McConarty, a veteran family doctor who advises E.L.A.M. The school backed down and reinstated the old grading scheme for the classes. Some semesters they were lax with enforcement, but, then suddenlyBANG! Questions would highlight what should I know. An MD in 4 years is very short time. Determination is bs. This is a real school. I do believe that these schools tend to operate in a business type way, but I am also very grateful that these schools exist to give people like me a chance! Any advise from experience is very helpful.Thank you. They told the school that using the students assigned work without their permission was against the law and that the schools accreditation mattered more that the money they could make from the questions written by their students. You dont need to be a genius to be a doctor. Period. Like do you feel you were placed in a hospital where there was a good amount of patho-physiological diversified cases. To become a PA is more competitive than a DO school. Perhaps more people than deserve one. Spanish is an excellent 2nd language and it is spoken in many countries. I graduated grade school and undergrad in the US for computer sciences. How hard is it to get into Saba medical school? Medical School is not that hard if you think about it. You were definitely paid for the above statement and doesnt look like you actually went to SGU like the rest of us. I want to be a psychiatrist and have 6 years experience working with sever persistent mentally ill, and great recommendations. Decelerate twice and you are dismissed. SGU pushes students to maintain above an 80%, because that correlates with ~220 >> the bare minimum that IMGs from SGU should get if they want to match into a non-competitive residency. Sometimes I laugh at myself chasing the bus that was supposed to come later than came too early, that memory. NO Americans have gone to that school in many years (they still go to Guadalajara.) (Sorry for typos, writing fast) God bless you! Used to study questions pretest, Lange books, and work backwards onto notes. The Dept of Education would not accredit these schools if attrition was that high, and they definitely would not qualify to receive federal funding. It will either make you insecure or prideful. ME?!? There are no textbooks, no study materials, the lecture hall has a capacity of 200 students but there are 1,000 students (so a good number will be wharfed eventually), there is no electricity to study with, there is no internet, accommodation was always a problem so you might end up squatting in a tiny room with at least 5 people, you get ONE big exam per course at the end of the entire semester (nothing like midterms cos professors are too lazy for that), there are professors who will NEVER award an A regardless of how good a student is, then theres the dean of the department who will announce to the incoming class that they didnt graduate with a first class (magna/summa cum laude) in their time so if youre in this class hoping for such grades, you should dreamless because he does NOT award such in the departmentand a laundry list of other adversities facing medical students in Nigeria yet they prevail and become one of the most brilliant doctors Ive ever seen. Or is it just MDs? Most of us did clerkships in the states, but for an IMG-that Pure Slave-labor scut-monkey shit, usually in the Inner Cities. And you guessed it, what does that mean? What medical school did you apply for ? Education. According to Congresswoman Karen Bass, of California, a supporter of E.L.A.M., funding is the main problemparticularly under the current Presidential Administration. I would also like some feedback on Ross University vs SABA vs AUC. ..I started at AUA but graduated Avalon U If anyone has specific questions regarding lectures, housing, professors, etc., Id be more than happy to answer them! School has very little support. The admin only cares about money and their curriculum is set up for student hardship and even failure. Hello my name is Abrar Justin Ahmed and I am a PGY-III Emergency Medicine Resident Physician and the current Resident EM Clerkship Director at Brookdale University Hospital and Medical Center in . It doesnt follow European model at all. United States, QS Master's Events in Middle East and Africa, Find your perfect University program with our matching tool. Hello, I just wanted to give my input to give a different perspective. you can sail anywhere you want. Would I do it again? Less expensive than the bigger Caribbean schools In all honesty, AUA is all about the money. Also a point of note, the Caribbean medical school accreditation committee includes officials from the Caribbean medical schools a conflict of interest to govern themselves, wouldnt you say? I am not surprised as this would benefit the bottom line. This student must have never taken the time to get to know a PA, NP, nurse, EMT, or any other healthcare provider for that matter, because these people are actually capable of making some changes in the world and almost all of us do. From adequate student support systems, to ombudsmans to hear student pleas or act as support and defenders in events like the ones i dealt with. But rest assured that they had been red flagged by the U.S department of education. Have faith & please join me. 100% USMLE Step 1 exam first-time pass rate (2021). These schools want high quality doctors and have reputations to uphold. Am from Ethiopia, I finished my BSN back home and currently am her in TX, working as Nurse/RN, planning Caribbean MD school but I totally confused which school I have to go. scholarship. It was very difficult for me emotionally to be away from my family so inevitably, I chose my family over medical school. No shade. I also attend a caribbean medical school. You begin to question is it that they do not want to do medicine anymore? My honest advice having having some experience with that route is to not do it because the outcomes are very unpredictable. With 900 students how did we get down to 650? Its not very human, but that is what expected, and if you fail to meet expectations, go easy on yourself and pick yourself up. Failed out When I tried to comeback I was forced to do a re-admission process and was denied re-entry, I was told by one of the members of the admission committee (who was a dear professor) that the dean stepped in personally to block my re-entry. Nurses? The school also offers workshops on different areas as test taking skills, how to deal with anxiety and depression, and how to study for a specific subject. Not one of our lecturers has even written the USMLE (or any exam similar to it), NOT ONE. 2) The mandatory lectures are nearly pathetic. Our fail rate is just higher in the first 2 semesters, so if you make it to the 3rd semester, hardly anyone fails after that. if u can get into med school in the US, of course u should go to school in the US, but if like me, u had a foreign undergrad degree and the idea of US medical rotations/the chance to practice in the US appeals to you, then research a caribbean school that suits u. my 25 cents. Well dive into other aspects of Sabas admissions process in this article. Many would be surprised to know that the predatory and vicious stories told about Caribbean medical schools also apply to some DO schools (NYIT-COM, being a good example). But behind such ridiculous numbers lies some logical reasoning. I wouldnt take that risk when you have hundreds of thousands of dollars at stake. If they can make it, then they can try their hand at a real semester. I was recently accepted to SJSM in St. Vincent. You see that with relationships, after many years marriages that no-one ever thought will fail, fail. If a student does fall below either mark students may or may not be allowed to decel, which means repeating the failed class; however, this looks bad on a residency app and if one fails again they are almost certainly dismissed (rare exceptions). Attrition rate ~ 86% This was probably due to my run-ins with the administration for being vocal about injustices we had faced. Saba is not currently subject to the jurisdiction of and thus has not received authorization from the Massachusetts Department of Higher Education. I am from the US, grew up in rural America and became a mom my senior year of high school. Saba has a match rate of 58% among US-IMGs. There are pros and cons about attending Caribbean medical schools. EMTs? Rotations that are two weeks in certain cases A school system without Pass/Fail and numerical grading for basic sciences and the list goes on. Its going be a challenge. I have been looking at their school as a Med school option. Would you mind elaborating how the Caribbean Med School system follows that of Germany or Switzerland or the UK? I have been a malpractice lawyer for over 20 years and have sued plenty of bonehead US Medical School graduates. in Human Biology. Im just being honest with you, not meant to be mean, just honest. The end goal of these schools is to help the student pass the board and match into a residency. And dont get me started on how they ALWAYS end up misplacing someones exam grades so that through NO fault of theirs (the student), they must end up repeating the entire course/ semester (and having to pay for it too). Good luck! If you end up being one of the few that graduate from Saba, then it will be because you have enormous outside family support, both financially and emotionally. For 30 years, Saba University School of Medicine has been turning dedicated students into Saba doctors. Build more schools, There simply is not enough schools and hospitals. When you shed that, and realize glory is subjectiveyou will find it in any pursuit you embark on. There are students in the US dropping out of medical school, same happens in the Caribbean. Some DO students do in fact take the USMLE as well, but a much smaller sample of DO students. This also gives students to build personal and professional characteristics required to be a successful medical student while further exploring whether medicine is really their calling. I counseled what I could before and after seeing this candidates papers; another unrelated position has been found and those years in the Carib are history. My daughter goes to St.George University School of Medicine.I can only say good things.Their stats in USMLE passing rates are great much higher then US DO Schools.Resendency matching rates are fantastic.This School is harder to get in to,but highly recommend it.They post everything on line ,that you want to know,including name of student and resedency placed in by individual state in the US.The university is very organized,and makes best effort even for families,boyfriends of fiances that have accompanied the Med or Vet Student for the 5 quarters they have to stay in Grenada. Hi, You will be exhausted and will likely will be out of time to study on your own. They are for-profit and that lends itself to weeding out a large portion of the class. I am a class 12 student from India and it has been my dream to become a surgeon in the US. Not having to complete an undergraduate degree to apply, certainly makes Saba open to more applicants. Yes he works hard, but he made $230K by himself last year. not a dorm-which AUA has been deligating that to nearby apt housing complexes on the island. I live in the US and have been out of school for about 4 years. I am sorry that you had such a horrible experience. See, people lie, but numbers dont. To illustrate this, consider the median costs of tuition, fees, and health insurance at allopathic medical schools during the 20202021 academic year: $39,150 (in-state, public medical schools) $63,546 (out-of-state, public medical schools) $64,053 (in-state, private medical schools). Some people just concentrate on what is going on in class and the positives and not dwell too much on what they cant change. I am an independent higher education analyst and would like to know more about US-owned Caribbean medical schools. Our school accepts a large number of students and it does tend to dwindle down and it is very unfortunate. In the hardest of lessons are the seeds that will be the foundations for the rest of your lives. If you want to be one of those few that make it to writing the USMLE and beyond, you need to be tough and have a great support system in place. I have seen so many cases were everything was perfect,MCAT score,GPA ,work experience and still,he was placed on the waiting list .You asked yourself ,what more do they want ??? Some left because they couldnt handle it academically. Fuck the rest, excuses included. I cant think of something further from the truth. but I knew I was going to be there for less than 2 years and my desire to become a doctor was greater than the hassle of dealing with island inconveniences. He found a good job, just bought an expensive home downtown, and has a bright future. If you really need to be a doctor and have the ability to learn, may be the world has a place for you to get that done. Its not for everybody like I said but if the economics of US med school admissions are not in your favor, SGU will give you an opportunity that you otherwise would not have. Thank God we didnt get a direct hit. Sounds like you went to a school similar Avalon University School of Medicine in Curaao. He received $85k from AUA and $75k from SGU, but contacted the dean and will try to get more. Would my patients trust my judgment if they found out where I went? This school sounds like it is SGU in Grenada. 5. At schools like Yale School of Medicine, class attendance is not required. Hi This is my second year and so far my school has showed a lot of support for us. I decided to go through the arduous task of preparing my AMAC application and apply to the few schools that did not require all prerequisites within the last 5 years. If you know what you want, if you are dedicated to achieve your goals, it does not matter if you are in the US med school or outside. Hi! I have no idea how theyll pass their medical boards unless the off shore program has figured a way around that too. If you have a legitimate concern about how the school does business, they will lie to you or ignore you. If you ran the slide I really dont see the point of going to the Caribbean and going through all of that struggle and spending 250K to do it. Failure is thinking things will always work the way you want them to. The students that I saw who didnt do well were: students who didnt care for medicine and they were simply doing it because it was their last resort, english wasnt their first language, students who got into toxic relationships, and students who put partying before their studies. You sound like youve been contacted by the faculty of sgu and asked to write a counter piece my friend. EXPECT to DIE.. And since this article just popped upwhen unbelievable the Fraud HCA MD who murdered our unclethen ended up..beginning of Death to end to have his girlie friend commit Fraud: making up erroneous statements to coverup their murder..in collusion for a corp fraud med Gulag. Please can you inbox me to guide me at tracey.ozoh@yahoo.com. Couldnt they alert me $200k sooner if they thought I needed to step up my game rather than giving me As? Saba Medical School is another of your options when you are considering Caribbean medical schools. What I am saying may come across harsh. Its true. 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